Notify me of follow-up comments by email. Ok revolvers. As a matter of fact in an extreme emergency you could carry the HK with no holster and in your pocket or even waist band but if you did the same thing with a Glock you would quickly blow your balls off in short order. Empty chamber is one option, but there are others. Running this way I am even more vigilant about how I handle the gun. -John Muir. Height: 5.4. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p28yT3Z3oj8&t=7347s I assume it had something to do with its mechanics. Sometimes I ask a question. And you should be, too. THAT is a significant, even dangerous, error to be stating as fact. This site is a participant in the Amazon Services LLC Associates Program, an affiliate advertising program designed to provide a means for sites to earn advertising fees by advertising and linking to Amazon.com. But that would be true for almost ANY gun that didnt have a manual safety engaged. A lot of guns, particularly the early revolvers, were considered too dangerous to carry with a loaded chamber because a sharp bump or drop could cause it to fire. Unchambered carry is a bad idea because: YouTube it. There are advertisements for trigger jobs on striker fired guns to make them with an even less pull weight!! Yet, most of us will also admit that we sometimes make mistakes while driving, despite all the practice/training. Does the gun have a external safety, or is it internal. He also runs his own Gun Blog and YouTube Channel. On the other hand, most other striker-fired pistols count on the recoil spring to cock the striker. I now carry without it, with one in the pipe. the number of people out there who keep a single-action revolver as a home defense or self-defense gun is likely negligible., Not to mention that those idiots have no right to expect anyone to take them seriously. When you thumb the hammer back for the first shot, it only rotates 1/12th or the way around instead of 1/6th. Absolutely. The hammer snagged on a branch, and he shot his horse (he was twisted by the tree). You may need your weak side arm to hold an attacker at bay while you draw, etc. Good on you guys for responding here. Between the trigger safety, the firing pin safety and the drop safety I feel very comfortable carrying it chambered. There we go. Glock G21 439. at Guns.com. Just remember, about the only way you can deactivate the safety mechanism is with your finger. Someone who wants to spend a couple thou on a gun should be more than willing to put the energy into learning how to use it safely. Is a cheap one as good as a safe from, say, a Liberty or Rhino? Any striker fired pistol that doesnt incorporate some type of manual safety has the same chance of a ND as a Glock. Bottom line: For *any* firearm, you have to *put your finger (or some other object) INTO the trigger guard to fire the weapon.*. Certified Glock Armorer, Colt Armorer, FN Armorer, Beretta Armorer, Smith and Wesson revolvers Armorer. Modern handguns are designed to be carried with a loaded chamber. I have handguns that have a magazine safety I leave the mag out a 1/2 inch in the lock box and the mag cant be rammed home while in the box(like if it were dropped). Its a toughy. They are: Glocks are completely drop-safe and are one of the safest pistols you can carry. Second, they also trained. The Glock 26 Gen 4 weighs approximately 25 ounces with a loaded magazine. Bet you still get stabbed. For me I often carry without one in the chamber, like when I am in the woods doing stuff. 4 under extreme stress you may short stroke it. Apply the 21 foot rule with the holy glock with a round chambered (Im pretty sure that as I was at the Vatican admiring Michelangelos ceiling, it was definitely a glock God was passing to Adam in the famous reclining scene), I bet you you will still lose just as badly. I ran a corner thru the trigger and around the other side up the grip. When it didnt open the first time, your brain clicked again to make sure, often without one even knowing they did so. Theyre both safe and useful within their own parameters, and people are free to choose the one they prefer. Some might even have second strike capability, which is the real holy grail. . And so it is when carrying a Glock as well. Im a lefty and the controls on the P 89 are completely ambitious I love SA/DA hammer fired autos. I am lacking a rapier and main gauche though so maybe not ready for the six fingered man. Because they have no external safety, Glocks are quicker to draw and fire. To sum up: there were a few objections to my original post that, on their face, had some truth to them. So old single actions have to be handled and loaded in a certain way to be carried safely. What I meant was: As all who have examined a REGULAR single action revolver, like a Colt SAA or the old three screw Rugers before the transfer bar, would know. P.T. if(typeof ez_ad_units!='undefined'){ez_ad_units.push([[250,250],'guntradition_com-leader-2','ezslot_6',115,'0','0'])};__ez_fad_position('div-gpt-ad-guntradition_com-leader-2-0');All this comes from an old incident within the New York City Police Department. Well, technically, you could also just not drop them I suppose. You just have to get comfortable with it. The others can safely be carried with a round under the hammer, with little to no chance of firing if the hammer should be hit or snagged. i carry mostly to counter the mass shooting incident the type of which where afterward everybody says if there had only been a good guy with a gun and i will more likely than not have time to draw the weapon and charge it while i get my ooda loop going. The initial pull of this trigger performs generally the same function as the thumb safety of a 1911 or single action. Come join the discussion about optics, gunsmithing, styles, reviews, troubleshooting, accessories, classifieds, and more! And I dont want to have to think about anything. The reason was that there wasnt anything between the hammer and either the nipple or the primer of the cartridge. the first two rules of safe gun handling are Dont touch the trigger until you are ready to shoot, and dont point it at anything you dont want to destroy. This has nothing to do with car=privilege firearm=right. A good 1/2 inch drive ratchet upside the head will drop most anyone like they were a sack of feed corn. Use whatever gun you want. Nice catch. as for being out in public goes if somebody gets the drop on me with a knife or firearm at super close range i figure that im only going to be 50/50 on that anyway Training is nothing more than repetition. It is completely safe if you take the proper precautions. Hire someone who did it on other blogs. And my Ruger .357. Yes, you're being silly. You always have time to do that. Frankly, most of us should be more concerned about our cholesterol anyway. I have yet to find a dumb ass vaccine. Picture if I was to just strike a primer laying on a hard surface, with a hand held hammer, manually. For gun owners looking to maximize the life of their firearms, it's important to understand what type of ammunition is acceptable and safe to use in their guns. Almost always comes back to the trigger. Empty chamber carry is dumb. Its like arguing Android is better than iOS. This should convince you that your glock is safe to carry chamber loaded and you won't have to worry about blowing your 'nads off. The firearm entered Austrian military and police service by 1982 after becoming the top performer in reliability and safety tests.. Glock pistols have become the company's most profitable line of products, and have been supplied to . I have a Sig DA/SA, fully loaded no problem. BTW.. Glocks have a 5.5lbs trigger pull so I doubt it will discharge from your love handle rubbing on it. Carry your GLOCK pistol chambered without worry, the same as every other modern striker fired pistol on the market. Barnum should have said, There is a Moron born every minute so I guess I will have to say it for him. OH NO! Quick easy to access and small enough for the P365, a spare magazine, and a small 300 Lumen Tac Light. The off hand comment was to the effect of glocks being less safe to carry with a round in the chamber than others. Again, carrying with an empty chamber isnt wrong, but it just isnt quite right. If youre going to pocket carry, get a pocket holster. Most cap and ball revolvers have carry notches between the nipple notches. I carry one in the chamber of my ruger P89 with 17 rounds in the magazine. A great capability, because a dud round will usually fire upon a second strike, and your finger is going to automatically do that anyway. I have these 2 hidden and had mounted in my house. If you want one of it, you must like it, so why wouldnt you want more? They claimed that the officer didnt purposefully pull the trigger, but he just twitched from his heart beating fast and the gunshot an unarmed innocent man. But people *MODIFY* (for chrissake) their Glocks trying to make the trigger compete with a 1911, then wonder why they shot their foot off. The New York Trigger as it became known had an 8-pound trigger pull. Ok, maybe youre taking off your holster and you drop the whole dang thing on the floor. While holstering, train yourself to make damn sure theres nothing in the way. Ehall my pistolas are chambered with the safety engaged-at home. Heres a news flash, ever since Adam and Eve ate the serpents apple were all fallible. I know, its a big word, all scary long and has lots of syllables, but try it out. Eventually, revolver designs changed. Thats all Colt added to the series 80, the internal firing pin block. Only ONE centerfire pistol? Of course all of those Glock NDs were due to human error. and self styled know it alls. Yep, if you havent actually ever been in a gunfight before you can shut the f#*k up about what or how I carry. It is a DAO and . I carry a single action 1911. Big thing, its hammer fired and its also DA/SA, so I have no problem with chambering a round and lowering the hammer. Of course, when I was a soldier, I listened to guys who had been there. Several years ago I read an article (I think it was Masaad Ayoob) detailing about a half dozen cases were cops had their guns taken away from them by perps and the perps couldnt figure out how to manipulate the safeties, saving the cops lives. But ready to goI still havent figured out a light for the AR(its EZ to hold small flashlight for a pistol). A 2A focused forum that patronizes a troll like VLAD is as questionable as the NRA in its current form. Notice if the trigger is ever depressed. OK, this isnt enough for you? The 16 chamber cylinder is specifically a reference to Kevin Costner in Open Range. The Glock is a semi-automatic pistol that was originally designed by an Austrian manufacturer called Glock Ges.m.b.H in 1982. I wouldnt have or carry any with a non hot pipe, but thats just me. In practice? A safety is much easier to manipulate than a slide though. With hammer fired guns, we have more options to prevent guns from accidently firing. There is also one of an off duty cop pulling up his pants and firing his clip draw equipped pistol. 1; 2; Next. Come join the discussion about optics, gunsmithing, styles, reviews, accessories, classifieds, and more! Say, if you can make that mistake (and you did), are you willing to admit that maybe, just possibly, youve mad other mistakes? Personally, I have several, ranging from BP revolvers to modern SA and DA revolvers & semi-auto pistols, to rifles and shotguns. Glocks response was to simply make a pistol that was safe without a safety. Back in the old days of guns, they didnt really have any safety at all. Not a hard and fast rule. Which gets me to this. I do carry that way, however, with my 1911. The guns must of been 1911s or Browning HPs or similar SA only. All terrific replies. A 16 year old In drivers ed may not be very experienced nor skilled, but at least in my day, was paying more attention than a driver more familiar with driving. on second thought I dont wanna know. Do not get me wrong here as training is vital, that said the real problem is you cant cure stupid, Murphy, or brain farts! . Yes. Seattle is like a miniature version from a driving perspective. Or a musket? When she holstered her Glock .40 it went off and the bullet went down her leg utterly destroying it. I have kids, but they have been taught that if it can go bang assume it will if the trigger is touched. It may be injured or busy striking or holding back children, etc. I dont know how high Id have to go to get it to ignite, but I figure Im never going to carry my piece 8+ off the floor, (seeing as how thats the height of most ceilings). Glock 23 Handgun. Ive done this quite a bit when rabbit hunting. Barrel: 4.5. Open range is a good movie and as far as the other guys standing there in real life its called shock value I did love the the fact Costners six shooter magically self loaded. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. That scenario is at least as plausible as a robbery. I thing Mossad guys are well trained, just saying. Some extras, just in case one breaks? Some people were never meant to have a handgun I suppose. I too have a P89. Practice your procedure till it becomes a natural reaction without thinking.You will have other things that must be accessed in those fractions of a second. As someone from MS you gotta tell me where this full auto shoot was. Best thing you can do is buy a pistol that you can safely carry loaded with one in the chamber. Its your right to be retarded. We have lots more on the site to show you. Therefore, its unsafe(ish) to carry or store with one in the chamber. In a SA revolver, the next round is instantly available anyway, whether fully loaded or one short, quicker out of the leather for the first, second, and third shot than any other existing action type. So whats up? They have defense of the State, of their comrades, or of other citizens.. Answer (1 of 30): The main reason to carry, is self defense. 1 of 2 Go to page. There are a lot of older pistols manufactured without a drop safety feature. When carrying the gun in a holster, the grip safety will keep the gun from discharging, even if the . The hammer connects with a firing pin thats integrated into the frame, which strikes the primer. They do have a half cock notch that you could use to carry on a loaded chamber, but theres a reason they say, Dont go off half-cocked. I think they heard how bad its getting over here and want to provide a better place to be, so that TTAG will be left with nothing but trolls and snowflakes. Ive carried in condition one for nearly 25 years. It was called Fractured Fairy Tales, The difference between you and me is I am real you live in a virtual reality world oh and btw dummy they dont call it Glock perfection for nothing, Your rants always remind me of that long ago cartoon show. Its decocker is better than a thumb safety. I got to 8 feet off the floor and a Series-70-style 1911 clone would not ignite the primer. All I get is replies that they are working on it. I will still carry unchambered. Holstered the Glock like that into kydex holster. In my 3-screw, yes. Are you my mother? silly? One common question among Glock owners is whether or not they can shoot aluminum cased ammunition in their . When I go out without my kids I rack the slide. So you have no quibble with the line; If dropped, the hammer could contact the primer and therefore, fire., in relation to SA revolvers? Repeatedly doing the same thing is training, because it becomes habit. Do u know what the 21 foot rule is? Or some jackass was pocket carrying his G43 without a holster and something snagged the trigger. The gun is DA/SA, so the first shot is a long pull on the trigger, but I routinely practice it, so Im OK with it. I dont believe anyone has the right to keep me from holding, using and appreciating these art forms. One could write an entire book about just the intricacies of revolver internals, but no one would buy it, now that most dont even know what revolvers are. But unlike the Shield Plus, the Equalizerlike the Shield EZis a single-action as opposed to striker-fired pistol. I always wanted to see in a western someone who knew he was about to get into a gunfight slip that 6th round into his Colt SAA. If one wishes to carry sans a round in the chamber. And its nowhere near so light a trigger pull that you could just bump it and it fires. You could also chamber a snap cap, holster it, do your daily routine around the house and then check if trigger was pulled. The fix was to add a safety. The 223/5.56 is the most common centerfire rifle cartridge in the US. As one gun writer said years ago, its amazing someone was not smart enough to hire a good gun savvy lawyer and sue Glock out of existence with all the accidents this pistol has caused. Agree with the author 100%. The round wouldnt even need to be in a chamber at all. For that matter, I dont take seriously anyone who carries a revolver for self-defense. FNS9-C. You have to train how you'll fight and fight how you train. Nope. Jul 18, 2010. The idea behind the floating firing pin is that if the firing pin is heavy enough, but made too short to actually be driven into the primer by the hammer, then when the hammer drops, the pin will be struck hard enough to give the pin enough of its own inertia to fire the round, yet then rebound to the rear. In fact, when applying for a gun permit in Israel, self-defense is not an acceptable reason to get a gun. A Glock is a reputable brand name of pistols, and the weight of the trigger pull can mean the difference in between a firearm firing and not shooting. Carrying on an empty chamber is probably one of the most common beginner mistakes I hear. It is also the choice of many Canadian cops services. Because they have no external safety, Glocks are quicker to draw and fire. Personally I dont just carry for my own personal defense, but also the defense of my country, my comrades and other citizens. Sound off in the comments. I learned to drive on the streets of San Francisco with a van as a teenager when my mom wanted me to drive her around. I have trained chambering on the draw and while it is less effective it still gives me options. MOLON LABE. I submit never. There are no Glock negligent discharges *without* the word *negligent* in the incident description. My point is that I see no benefit in limiting my defensive options. Agreement. So the only downside of the top chamber being empty is one less round available before reloading. Not an appreciable amount of time. Time waits for no man, and neither do bad guys. Bottom line: For *any* firearm, you have to *put your finger (or some other object) INTO the trigger guard to fire the weapon. The Baltimore Police Department, Los Angeles Police Department, Miami Police Department, and Maryland State Police are all known to utilize the Glock handgun.